Sen. Charles Schumer pushes for solar cell research to come to the Capital District

ALBANY — If Sen. Chuck Schumer gets his way, the Capital District could soon become a national center for solar cell research.

Schumer visited the University at Albany College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering Monday afternoon to announce his final push to secure a $100 million grant that would make that possibility a reality. The money is being sought by the U.S. Photovoltaic Manufacturing Corporation, a fledgling partnership between CNSE, SEMATECH and the University of Central Florida that’s looking for support from the Department of Energy’s Photovoltaic Manufacturing Initiative.

If approved for the grant, PVMC could dramatically change the United States’ place in the photovoltaic technology and products market, with the potential to create millions of jobs nationwide over the next decade, thousands of them locally.

The consortium “has unlimited potential when it comes to advancing our technological capabilities, increasing our competitiveness abroad, and most importantly — creating jobs for middle-class families in the Capital Region,” Schumer said. “Simply put, this award could electrify our economy in upstate New York, and I’m pushing as hard as I possibly can to give New York the jolt we need and deserve.”

Solar voltaic technology converts solar energy into ready-to-use forms, directly absorbing solar photons and converting it to electricity or storing it for a chemical reaction. The clean power that energy produces is reliable and more easily built than conventional power plants, and provides a wealth of opportunities for employment and entrepreneurship, acting as “the key to our future energy independence and to clean energy jobs,” Schumer said.

Alain E. Kaloyeros, senior vice president and CEO of CNSE, said further funding for the consortium would “(advance) New York’s world-class nanotechnology initiative.”

“By dedicating these world-class resources and next-generation technological capabilities to support photovoltaic manufacturing, we have an unparalleled opportunity to accelerate renewable energy technologies while advancing national competitiveness, driving the creation of new high-tech jobs, companies and private investment, and fueling the innovation that is essential to fostering U.S. economic development and growth,” Kaloyeros said.

ALBANY — If Sen. Chuck Schumer gets his way, the Capital District could soon become a national center for solar cell research.

Schumer visited the University at Albany College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering Monday afternoon to announce his final push to secure a $100 million grant that would make that possibility a reality. The money is being sought by the U.S. Photovoltaic Manufacturing Corporation, a fledgling partnership between CNSE, SEMATECH and the University of Central Florida that’s looking for support from the Department of Energy’s Photovoltaic Manufacturing Initiative.

If approved for the grant, PVMC could dramatically change the United States’ place in the photovoltaic technology and products market, with the potential to create millions of jobs nationwide over the next decade, thousands of them locally.

The consortium “has unlimited potential when it comes to advancing our technological capabilities, increasing our competitiveness abroad, and most importantly — creating jobs for middle-class families in the Capital Region,” Schumer said. “Simply put, this award could electrify our economy in upstate New York, and I’m pushing as hard as I possibly can to give New York the jolt we need and deserve.”

Solar voltaic technology converts solar energy into ready-to-use forms, directly absorbing solar photons and converting it to electricity or storing it for a chemical reaction. The clean power that energy produces is reliable and more easily built than conventional power plants, and provides a wealth of opportunities for employment and entrepreneurship, acting as “the key to our future energy independence and to clean energy jobs,” Schumer said.

Alain E. Kaloyeros, senior vice president and CEO of CNSE, said further funding for the consortium would “(advance) New York’s world-class nanotechnology initiative.”

“By dedicating these world-class resources and next-generation technological capabilities to support photovoltaic manufacturing, we have an unparalleled opportunity to accelerate renewable energy technologies while advancing national competitiveness, driving the creation of new high-tech jobs, companies and private investment, and fueling the innovation that is essential to fostering U.S. economic development and growth,” Kaloyeros said.


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Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 1:33 AM:

" Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes.

Oh, and did I mention, YES.

Real logic and a real hope for the future. Thank you Sen. Schumer for your clear vision and your willingness to pursue it. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 5, 2011 6:58 AM:

" Good News and a part of the puzzle. It's a start and just as the chip plant was good news several years ago, it will take years before it becomes operational and more before profitable. Government control of industry never works [Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac] Nasa and the Military do fine as long as Congress stays out of the way, but they aren't industries with a free market solution already. It will fail here unless they give up control and allow the free market to dictate. Regulation is fine, but over regulation dooms it just as quickly. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 8:34 AM:

" I wish you were kidding but I know you are not adkkman.

Right now the largest subsidies on the planet are going to energy companies. Even the 'fission energy plant' scam adkkman and Congressman Gibson are trying to promote for our area is all about government money. The profits of the oil companies they advocate for are skyrocketing yet Mr. Gibson is in favor of providing them with huge sums of tax welfare ... if they pay any taxes at all that is. Even GE, adkkman's favorite corporation and producers of fission energy reactors, paid zero in taxes last year. Therefore complaints by the pro nuke crowd about the limited subsidies to the alternative energy industry is disingenuous to say the least.

Regulation of the energy industry is absolutely necessary to save our planet. Green energy has little or no problem with regulations to make energy safer. In fact regulations actually helps the industry in most cases. However the coal, oil and fission energy industry fights regulation every step of the way because their products are so harmful and the costs to make them clean are porhibitive.

On the other hand new green energy as typified by the solar chip tech in this article is geared to allow each of us to get off the grid and as a result their clean energy industry is growing by leaps and bounds. That is the type of future that Saratoga really needs.

It is true all of this will not happen over night, but it will happen much sooner with leaders in place like Mr. Schumer not with leaders in place like Congressman Gibson who is totally locked into the old school filthy fuel business. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 5, 2011 9:30 AM:

" Yeah good job Chucky, the Univ of Central Florida, full of muslim extremists and keeps inviting them to speak there. Great university to partner U of Albany and NY State with but hey liberty its all for green jobs right lol "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 9:51 AM:

" 'the Univ of Central Florida, full of muslim extremists'

Quote from our local angry bigoted extremeist Mr. Tea Party. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 5, 2011 9:58 AM:

" Hey liberty,
Try doing a little research on the subject, but then again you're probably too busy going to VFW events and veterans parades as you "served " in a time of war right lol. "

mary42 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:00 AM:

" Where might Charlie find that $100 MILLION? Is not our country broke? Sounds great to give jobs, but how sad that the only ones left to offer jobs is the government. EXTREME Charlie is pulling $$$ out of thin air... "

PJ wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:34 AM:

" Hey PTGO, I go to VFW events, I go to veterans parades AND I served in two wars. What's the problem in attending such functions?
I also support this move by Senator Schumer. UCF connections or not, the vitality of Upstate NY depends on initiatives like this. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 12:01 PM:

" Mary42
Why have been silent about the huge subsidies and mega amounts of tax welfare that is going to fission, oil and coal? The amount the alternatives are getting pales in comparison yet you are silent. Too bad we can not get energy from hypocrisy. The tea party could power the nation.

Mr. Tea Party
Serving our country during war is a reason for you to mock veterans at the same time that you enjoy all of the benefits of our sacrifice. I will make sure your ugly selfish absurd comments are fully shared as we get close to the next election. "

lavidalocal wrote on Apr 5, 2011 12:08 PM:

" As the article states, China and Germany are way ahead of the US in solar technology. This is due to their gov'ts subsidizing solar in a big way, which has given them the advantage. So much for the free market...but then, the market has not been free for quite sometime. All energy projects have had subsidy...perhaps it is solar's turn "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 12:23 PM:

" You are correct lavidalocal. The below was previoiusly posted by Turner2

'Methane. An alternative already in place.

Methane is a combustible gas, which is obtained in two ways. It can be extracted from the earth’s crust in the form of natural gas, or from waste sludge and biological waste as biogas. What is more, carbon dioxide emissions, which contribute to the greenhouse effect, are about 25% lower for methane than when running on petrol. Biogas forms part of the natural eco-cycle and therefore makes a zero net contribution to the greenhouse effect.

Already available in most European countries with a total of over 2,000 public filling stations - and the number is increasing rapidly, especially in Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Italy.

In Germany, three new filling stations open every week. In Italy there are no less than 400,000 methane-powered vehicles. The pace of growth in Switzerland is high, both as regards vehicles (+62 per cent) and filling stations (+80 per cent).

The cost of a methane-fueled engine makes the price of a new car slightly higher, but driving on methane generally means significantly lower operating costs - and the higher purchase price is quickly recovered through lower fuel costs. Depending on the market, the cost of driving on methane is 20 – 60 percent lower than for petrol and between 20 and 40 percent lower than when running on diesel. ' "

lobber wrote on Apr 5, 2011 12:45 PM:

" What a hero Chuck "Porky" Shumer is to the left wing elite nuts like Liberty. I'm going to chalk this up to another off-the-cuff remark he loves to calling that flight attendant a B#$@#, right in front of his puppet Gillenbrand, simply for asking him to turn his highnesses cell phone off. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 1:04 PM:

" lobber - you hit the 'b' key twice instead of the 's' key once and misspelled your descriptive name. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 1:05 PM:

" lobber
Perhaps the 's' goes in front of your name? "

lobber wrote on Apr 5, 2011 4:11 PM:

" It's interesting you again respond with comments about names. Your screen name is an obvious joke, as "Liberty" can be defined as freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control. As a left wing elitist nutcase, you strive for bigger government and for them to invade every aspect of your life. It's either that along with you "White Mans Burden", or you're poor trash that wants a hand out. Those are the ultimate definitions of Liberals. Which one are you? "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 6:44 PM:

" Great use of the language lobber. Seems as if it were not for hype, bias and insults you would be extremely limited in what you say. But to answer your insulting question 'which one' am I ....

I am the person who would like to see everyone of us attain energy independence. Off the grid. Forever. That technology is within our grasp. I believe that we get there by opening our minds to the innovations being created by fellow Americans. These innovations will shape our lives for generations to come and they are here in Saratoga. I believe that Americans are fully capable of meeting the energy challenge and I believe we will do so in spite of your mocking insults and warrantless doubts. I fully believe that fission, coal and petroleum fuels are in their last days and good riddance to them all. I believe that the alternatives will emancipate us from the addiction to deadly energy once and for all. True liberty.

That is 'the one' I am lobber. On the other hand I don't have to ask you the same question. I already know who you are by the overt hostility in your text. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 5, 2011 7:38 PM:

" PJ,

Liberty101, who has a habit of lying and spewing every kind of Anti America, Anti Capitalist, Anti Gun, Anti Freedom Of Choice, Left Wing nonsense on this forum said in another posting that she was a "Vet who served 4 years during war time" then proceeded to AVOID any question that would easily be answered by any person who was a real vet. I was being sarcastic as I believe her to be lying. I am a big supporter of veterans and I having nothing but disdain for those who claim to be who are not, especially when it was done to make a political point on a stupid web blog. No harm intended toward you or any other real veterans on here. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 8:34 PM:

" I suppose it would be fair play to point out that Mr. Tea Party distrusts the United States to the point that he thinks 'they' are coming to take his gun away and send him to liberal camp. He fears America is after his rights and talks her down every chance he gets. He rhetoric has a striking resemblance to that of United States Air Force Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper but just more frenetic and profane. In the end Mr. Tea Party's obviously paranoid and accusatory ranting is just another example of a man with extremely weak character who never served his country and who is now thumping his chest and overacting to try to compensate in some manner. Pathetic.

The real issue is that Senator Schumer (not Congressman Gibson) is showing real leadership and a true vision for the future of our area right now when we need it most. That is the good news and that is something truly worth reflecting upon. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 5, 2011 9:00 PM:

" It would be real simple to put me in my place there Sgt York and just come clean with what branch you were in, what was your rank, MOS and when you served and when you were discharged. But I'm the bad one right ? lol "

Mbar wrote on Apr 5, 2011 9:41 PM:

" Chuck Shumer showing real leadership?....haha. Leading us right into more spending we can't afford. You liberals have a hard time with this concept of money. To you money does grow on trees, because that's exactly what your policy is... to grow it right off the printing press. Wow, how awesome to be able to do that!! and you can just keep spending and spending until Tea Partiers are blue in the face, and when bread is $25.00 a loaf you can just blame and blame the Tea Partiers who were ranting and raving about stopping the spending. Do you people realize that in order to balance the budget right now.... just balance... not recover.... we would all have to be taxed roughly 80% of our income. Oh there I went and did it again.... being so fear mongering and such a naysayer! How dare I?? It's just so narrow minded to think in terms of reality like that.

Ok Liberal101, go ahead and berate me and other Tea partiers... Make yourself feel like the elitist you are so you sleep better at night with yourself. "

hip hop anonymous wrote on Apr 5, 2011 10:38 PM:

" Can we get back to something relevant to this story, please?

I'll use statistics from the State Government of Texas, lest you claim I cherry picked liberal data.

Federal subsidies as of 2006

gas and oil - $3.5 billion

coal - $2.7 billion

nuclear - $1.2 billion

ethanol - $4.7 billion

biodiesel - $0.092 billion

wind - $0.457 billion

solar - $0.382 billion

hydro-power - $0.295 billion

bio-fuel - $0.209 billion

geothermal - $0.029 billion "

Saratogan wrote on Apr 5, 2011 10:47 PM:

" The move to clean energy technology in our area is reassuring to anyone who has invested here. What a wonderful opportunity this represents for all of us and without the deadly risks of nuclear, coal or oil. Our home values will remain secure and that is very good to know. The best part is that this is American technolgy and it will provide a positive serivce and good local jobs. That is upbeat news for everybody here. "

clearwater wrote on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 PM:

" I don't get it. Why are the tea party people so upset that this solar cell plant is coming here? Solar means that we can unplug from National Grid. Do it ourselves instead. Why isn't that a good thing? I though the tea part was all about independence. That is why I do not understand why they are so hostile and downright mean when it comes to being energy independent. It does not make sense unless they are really just about the money after all and are only posing as independent types to try to pull one over on the nation. That makes sense. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 PM:

" Hip Hop, that's because of the amount of energy those each provide as a percent of the whole.

Coal – world average 26% of world energy, 50% of electricity
Oil 36% of world energy
Natural Gas 21% of world energy
Biofuel/Biomass less than 1% of world energy
Solar (rooftop) less than 0.1% of world energy
Wind less than 1% of world energy
Hydro 2.2% of world energy
Nuclear 5.9% of world energy "

ptgo wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:37 PM:

" Yeah Westchester County property values really took a hit because of Indian Point lol. Property values lol give me a break. Actually you can find DOZENS of articles about those obscene EYE SORE wind mills hurting property values in fact, Teddy boy Kennedy even had to deal with the NEGATIVE impact they have on local area aesthetics.

This list all locations of US nuclear power plants. I suggest anybody who wants to, go and do some real estate pricing within 20 miles of every one of these plants and see how BAD property values are. In fact most of these plants are in the boon docks. the plants have nothing to do with the property values. In most cases nobody knows they are there. Look locally, is Niskayuna hurting for value? Is Saratoga/Ballston Spa/Milton? Hardly, its just another unmeasurable BS greenie tactic to force this sham of green energy on us. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:40 PM:

" Solar. A viable and growing industry.
Thank you Senator Schumer.

Link - an example of American made technology changing lives all over the worl. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:47 PM:

" Building a home? Think solar, active and passive. Designs, plans, contacts and ideas at this link below. Go off the grid most of your life. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 5, 2011 11:54 PM:

" Passive solar explained. Excellent for printing out.

Passive solar can be highly effective in the northeast by cutting energy usage and costs.

Link - "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 12:06 AM:

" Breakthrough? An example of the quickly evolving nature of energy technology being developed in America. An innovation like this would totally change the energy dynamic in our society forever. Nice to know that this sort of research and development will be happening in our area.

Link "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 AM:

" The percentages of subsidy you mention adkkman are due to the fact that the market is almost wholly owned by oil, coal and fission so they get the subsidies and the production.

The reason these mega energy companies are so afraid of green technology is that green tech allows a person to produce their own energy. THEIR OWN ENERGY. No more Edison Corporation tapped into your bank account eating your personal wealth every month. That percentage of your income matters and green energy offers the best return for investment by far. "

clearwater wrote on Apr 6, 2011 12:30 AM:

" Welfare for Trillionaires.

ExxonMobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009, paid no federal income taxes, received a $156 million rebate

Bank of America received a $1.9 billion IRS refund despite $4.4 billion of profits

General Electric had $26 billion in profits, and $4.1 billion refund (GE made it onto another top 10 list of top corporate lobbyists in 2010, spending $39 million)

Chevron nabbed a $19 million refund after making $10 billion in profits "

ptgo wrote on Apr 6, 2011 1:13 AM:

" Everyone of these hippie dippy "green" energy companies is getting subsidies and government money up the ying yang. Tax credits and incentives galore. Those are NO different from the oil companies oh except for the fact that they actually turn profits, produce products people need and want and employ MILLIONS of people and supply revenue to millions of stock holders. I know those are foreign concepts to hippie green energy supporters but bear with me. So when these GREEN companies start generating "record" profits will you pontificating windbags be as concerned with their profits as you are with "big bad evil oil"? I hardly think so. Oh an GE is in bed with the Obama administration not the tea party lol. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 6, 2011 6:54 AM:

" Economics 101: Know where those profits go?
-Dividends to shareholders who in turn pay taxes on them.
-Invested in employee training, purchase new equipment and upgrade to new technology.
-Purchase other businesses that appreciate the value of stock which when sold is taxed.

How many solar businesses through the years received govt grants and never made it? How many solar companies can't turn a profit and therefore pay no federal tax?

Finally, for the seventh time...

What would you say to the average person struggling to get by, and pay their taxes, who cannot afford the $20,000 investment for solar? I say utilize cost effective energy out there. Your silence is deafening. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 8:15 AM:

" More bad news from Japanese nuclear site.

United States government engineers sent to help with the crisis in Japan are warning that the troubled nuclear plant there is facing a wide array of fresh threats that could persist indefinitely, and that in some cases are expected to increase as a result of the very measures being taken to keep the plant stable, according to a confidential assessment prepared by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Among the new threats that were cited in the assessment, dated March 26, are the mounting stresses placed on the containment structures as they fill with radioactive cooling water, making them more vulnerable to rupture in one of the aftershocks rattling the site after the earthquake and tsunami of March 11. The document also cites the possibility of explosions inside the containment structures due to the release of hydrogen and oxygen from seawater pumped into the reactors, and offers new details on how semimolten fuel rods and salt buildup are impeding the flow of fresh water meant to cool the nuclear cores.

If we are learning anything from this incident is that once an accident occurs it may not be controlled. Placing this technology here after learning of this fatal fission flaw would be insanity particularly when so many wonderful alternatives are hand. "

Saratogan wrote on Apr 6, 2011 8:58 AM:

" adkkman, If I follow your logic my business should not pay taxes because my business pays my employees and our investors. But that is not how it works at all. The difference is that I do not own a huge corporation that is on the top of the stock market and those are the only companies getting these big tax breaks not small businesses like mine. This imbalance is being accented by republicans who vote to give even more tax breaks to huge corporations and nothing to small business. It would appear that your own stock portfolio is skewing your logic on this issue adkkman.

Look into Turner2 links. The information there contradicts your claim that it costs 10's of thousands of dollars to invest in solar. It is obvious that solar has many different components and most are very cost effective. The disaster in Japan scares my family away from nuclear energy. As a first step my family has decided to invest in a solar generator for next winter and we are looking into some of the other money saving ideas on these websites. The security and pay back of producing our own energy is worth the original investment. Good stuff. "

PJ wrote on Apr 6, 2011 9:30 AM:

" PTGO, Thanks for the words! I am Pro America, Pro Capitalist, Pro Gun and Pro Freedom Of Choice!

-PJ "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 9:55 AM:

" PTGO (Mr. Tea Party) is hardly pro-freedom of choice. Certainly not for women or families trying to plan for their future. You have misread his comments. His only freedom of choice is which lie to tell next. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 6, 2011 9:56 AM:

" The tax break for small business owners is the so called 'Millionaires Tax' It was stopped. Most small business is S or C Corps and get the break now. My logic is that profits ARE being taxed. If this administration would alter the Corporate Tax point , businesses would bring their profits back home, I'm sure you saw the 60 minute story last week. What kind of small business do you own? Nothing specific...service? Mfg? Professional? I can name a dozen tax breaks at every level and kind as well as assistance. Start with SBA and SCORE. Don't get caught in the trap of corporate hating. The billions they get as a percent of sales does not compare with the percent we as small business people get. Want more? Grow your business!

Passive solar generates soooo little energy that I don't spend time thinking about it. Sure good ideas, but in order to 'get off the grid' as Lib has suggested as a means to eliminating foreign dependence, passive will not accomplish that. You need a system, entry level $20,000. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 10:19 AM:

" Passive solar GENERATES energy adkkman? Wow. Your immense ignorance of this technology is showing up in loud vivid colors. Passive is not about generating energy - it is about saving energy. Oh boy. You sure talk like you know what you are saying but upon inspection your words are just fluff for the nuke business. Read the links Turner2 posted before you embarrass yourself again.

In addition the ONLY companies in America that pay no taxes are the big ones like Exxon and GE. In spite of their huge profits they get tax rebates. That is our money paying for your lifestyle adkkman. Since you are such a big investor in GE it is not surprise that you blow so much smoke at something you clearly know nothing about. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM:

" My mistake. I meant to say SAVES sooo little energy. Now that we're past the grammar, what about the point? What is the return on investment? What about the $20,000 [8th time]

Now I misspoke...but for you to say the only companies that pay no taxes are the big ones is uninformed. You have absolutely no idea. This time of year accountants earn their keep by having their clients pay no taxes. I will allow you the courtesy of acknowledging your mistake, even though you afforded me no such consideration. While I'm only invested in GE for less than 3%, Obama is HEAVILY much so that they got a healthcare exemption, and the job czar post!

You lavished so much praise on Schumer, and then he said the Tea Party was sinking yesterday...are you really Chuckie? Makes sense since he knows nothing about business. He wants to redistribute wealth...wait though he voted FOR some of those tax welfare subsidies. Ouch. Obama + GE + Chuckie + Corporate welfare = desperate Lib :( "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 1:34 PM:

" 'Saves' or 'save'- same thing adkkman. It is crystal clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. Did you go to the web sites Tuner2 posted? Did you read what was there? I doubt it because you are still way off the mark.

In housing design if passive solar elements are in play the home owner will save tons of money. If they add active solar tech, the homeowners can go off the grid for large portions of the year saving much more money. Independence is the goal of alternative energy. You goal is to keep us hooked on energy sources that place us all in danger so you can turn a profit with your stock holdings. Those are the facts adkkman and it makes you look bad.

Please to try to catch up with the subject. You are leveling a bevy of false charges and mistaking the technology so often you appear totally foolish over and over and over again. "

LiveFreeOrDie wrote on Apr 6, 2011 2:54 PM:

" Lib: "Please to try to catch up with the subject. You are leveling a bevy of false charges and mistaking the technology so often you appear totally foolish over and over and over again. "

Well if that's not calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

Lib - as usual you have no clue as to what you are talking about. My guess is you're a pariah even in your own circles at the library and coffee house. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 6, 2011 5:51 PM:

" livefreeorkill
There is a profound difference between passive and active solar components. It is clear that the pro fission people on this blog do not the difference nor do they care to. In fact the difference between fusion and fission is over their heads as well. If advocating a clean domestic energy future makes me a pariah in your eyes I could not care less. "

livefreeordie wrote on Apr 6, 2011 6:26 PM:

" Lib - conservatives could not ask for a better caricature of a liberal spokesman than you. You're Alan Grayson, Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, Henry Waxman, Carol Mosley Braun, and Shelia Jackson Lee all rolled up into one. My only regret is that you don't have a larger platform and larger audience to make yourself look stupid to. Well done. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 6, 2011 10:01 PM:

" Lib ...'In Housing design'. Back to the $20,000 question [9th time] The problem with alternatives like Solar is it's too expensive for the average person, except for minuscule options that don't save or generate squat.

Return on investment ROI for Solar is still 10-15 years. The systems from 20 or 30 years ago are obsolete, and for the most part don't work anymore. The consortium being suggested in the article is about active solar and is years away from being a reality. There's a reason rooftop solar only accounts for less than 1% of the worlds energy [a LOT less here in the US] They are just not efficient.

Dust off that VW bus, dig out the peace sign necklace, hug a tree, eat your granola and sell your solar, Lib. LOL "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 9:05 AM:

" Passive solar is part of housing design right now adkkman. Hello?? Proper insulation, windows, even greenhouses (among other facets of green energy) are part of home design right now. Passive solar is simply impossible to avoid.

I keep asking if you have gone to the websites that Turner posted and I re-posted but it clear you have not. Why should you. After all you are not interested in learning anything new. You are only interested in maintaining the profit you make from dangerous energy generation so you are a put=down artist who constantly diminishes American innovation.

On the other hand there are at least 2 dozen businesses in the Saratoga area that install passive solar components today. In addition hot water systems, radiant heat, and other green technology saves homeowners money and energy and are a common part of home building and renovations.

In addition active solar has taken huge leaps forward with the (American) innovation of thin sheet photo voltaic and roofing tile. Next is solar home siding which should be available within a year. With investment from the government (at last) the progress is speeding up geometrically.

Auto fuels in many counties have transitioned to alternatives. Much of Europe runs on Methanol and many of the countries in South America run on bio fuels. American car dealers are expanding production of alterantive vehicles which sell out as soon as they hit the showroom or before. We lag behind China in production of alternatives because people like you profit from the old dangerous energy systems and are spending huge sums of money lobbying to stay on the track of pollution and profit. Yet in spite of your best efforts the future is coming and it will not be fission.

You can stay in the darkness of ignorance as long as want adkkman. You seem quite comfortable there. You can try to pull the wool over our eyes by saying the alternatives are too expensive and decades away. However the information about the alternatives is out there and people are going in that direction because they treasure the security and independence from the grid and abhor the addiction that is necessary to stay with old, expensive dirty energy that just happens to keep that sweet dividend check from your stock portfolio rolling in monthly. "

clearwater wrote on Apr 7, 2011 10:56 AM:

" Hey Turner2 - your information is making us change the plans for our new home. Our expectation is that by doing so we will save at least 30% to 40% of our annual energy costs and maybe more over the old design. I was surprised to find that the costs to install the system is not much more than the other system would be. The good thing is that if there are energy emergencies we can switch over and run for long periods without any power from the grid. With the savings on our energy costs we will be ahead of the game in short order. We are also considering going with the solar roofing tiles. More expensive but a great pay back so we are looking into it. New storage systems for solar energy are much more powerful now and we can update the system as the technology improves so it looks like it would be worth the investment. The pay back is huge. The storage systems are a much more compact and easier to place in the home design which impressed us. We are even changing the the way our house is facing to take advantage of the sun's movement. We saw a house we saw outside of Schuylerville last month on an ice cold day that is off of grid power most of the year and the place is beautiful. Very spacious and welcoming and warm. After seeing solar in action we are looking forward to the same good feeling they have of not being exclusively dependent on outside energy sources that have so many problems. Our feeling is that these changes will help us be more secure in our home. That is something without value. Thanks again for the info T2. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 7, 2011 12:43 PM:

" LOL Clearwater. Do pray tell what the payback is ! What is the ROI on this purchase? Deal in facts. Give us numbers. If you are an honest person you will. Then we can check them for ourselves. BE HONEST. All of these articles and posts are non specific adjectives. Huge. Ahead of the game in short order. How short? Not much much? I've seen the numbers, but will let you provide yours.

With investment from the government [can you say subsidies?] Just like the ethanol scam. Yes Lib, those items in passive solar you list are fine FOR THOSE WITH MONEY TO BUY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE [10th time I've asked you with no response] WITHOUT THOSE MEANS WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? I say proceed with ALL energy opportunities. You say use solar to the exclusion of others. We do that and cost of the average elec bill skyrockets. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 12:59 PM:

" You are welcome clearwater. I have seen that house in Saratoga County as well. Lovely place. There are several in the area and they are all very secure. Another Tip - Keep your eyes open for roof line wind power generation. There are designs that run along the peak of the roof and create no obstruction to bother neighbors etc. Their design is created to pick up every whisper of wind and best of all, they are silent. When used in conjunction with a photo voltaic array you can be assured of energy production every day of the year for many years to come. The new storage systems you refer to are manufactured domestically and the costs are coming down. Way down. You are correct that most of these systems are built to handle upgrades which is reassuring. All off grid. Freedom at last. You made the right choice clearwater. Have a great life. "

LiveFreeOrDie wrote on Apr 7, 2011 1:43 PM:

" Lib/Clearwater/Turner/Saratogan/Sybil and any other alias you blog as, I'm honestly starting to feel sorry for you that you have no life outside of these blogs to the point you have to pretend others agree with you. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 1:59 PM:

" Watch this video clearwater. This is the orignal design for the roofline wind turbine. From what I understand it will go into production later this year or the first of next year. Wonderful use of physics. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 7, 2011 3:13 PM:

" So T2, $4,000 + ~ $2,500 for the grid tie in for 1.8kw [I'm sure that is max]

-What is the capacity factor here in Upstate? I'll use your numbers, checked first of course.
- What happens when there's 2 feet of snow on the roof?
-How long do you estimate before this is available?
-What is the life expectancy of the physical equipment? [Most solar maxes at 20years]

Interesting that GE [you know dirty GE that Lib loves to rail agaiinst] is the co that brought this to R&D with hopes of production. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 3:31 PM:

" clearwater
Here are some folks in the Saratoga area that might be able to help you. There are others but this is a good place to start. The amount you save through the years by being energy independent more than pays back the investment. The freedom from addiction to an extremely unstable grid energy source is the greatest benefit of all. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 4:10 PM:

" Wow. $6,500 is almost what I pay for a couple of years of Nat. Grid. Since the mechanism is low profile it would fit in any where. It is made in sections so that if necessary only one section could be replaced not the whole unit. It does not have a wide arc so that the wear and tear would be minimal. The roof peak idea is perfect for maximum velocity. I note they address several issues like snow etc. on the web site. Science and industry working together is a great tradition in America. This is a good example. I would far rather GE got into this sort of new technology than to ram filthy fission down our necks. "

Kyle Bork wrote on Apr 7, 2011 4:50 PM:

" April 5th at 6:44, Liberty wrote "" Great use of the language lobber. Seems as if it were not for hype, bias and insults you would be extremely limited in what you say". This quote came after Liberty previously wrote and told "lobber" his name should ahve dropped the the 2 b's and put in an s, i.e Loser, or put an s in front of it, i.e. "slobber". But everyone else is throwing "insults". This Liberty tool is hilarious. At 8:34 Liberty told tpgo he was "paranoid" and had "extremely weak character". April 6th at 1:34, Liberty tells adkman he "has no idea what he is talking about", and that he is "totally foolish". And then the kicker, Liberty calls someone a "put down artist". Game, set, match "

adkkman wrote on Apr 7, 2011 5:04 PM:


$6500 is the INVESTMENT. It won't pay you back for 20 years is my guess, but could be longer. If the wind blows for 1 straight hour at 30+ miles per hour you could light a 60w bulb for 3 hours. WOW I mean with technology like that no wonder I see so many homes with this kind of technology. You say I'm uninformed. You're like a child [that's what I pay for a couple of years of Nat Grid] Do you understand ROI? Then when the equipment wears out in those 20 years where are you? SQUAT. Take that same $6500 and invest it in a small midcap, and guess where you are? about $50 grand in the bank.

Oooooh but you will FEEL good right Lib, Saratogan, T2 and Clearwater? It's all about emotion with you guys. You can say I'm all about the money, but here's what I'm really about. For the 11th time....what do you say to the family that doesn't have the $6500 to invest? I say pursue ALL avenues of energy. While you say exclude others. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 7, 2011 11:49 PM:

" What do you say to a person who does not have $6,5000 to blow on escalating monthly grid bills from an unstable energy industry adkkman? What do you say to a person who has no energy at any price when the grid crashes or the prices are so high no one can afford it? A wise person would invest that amount into a system that makes them independent from that chaos and free from that price gouging. Off grid is true freedom. Unfortunately for you adkkman, off grid people will not be buying your dangerous nuclear fission product and that will cut into your dividend paycheck. Those dollar figures are the only numbers you (and Mr. Tea Party/Bork) are really interested in. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 8, 2011 12:17 AM:

" Liberty,

The thing you can't seem to grasp is if you want to chase these ridiculous "alternative energies" alah Don Quixote chasing a windmill that is fine and it is your right. Collectively "we" should not have to. These STUPID new light bulbs which stink and don't work as good as the old and have mercury in them to boot are one example. I got news for you pal, solar homes aint new. They've been around for ages, as previous generations used to position their homes to take advantage of the sun. You know like facing east that kind of thing. And Guess what? IT doesn't work. That is why this stuff should not be foisted upon us. I think national grid are tantamount to criminals, living off the grid would be fine but solar and wind power neither produce the same results as conventional energy nor do they provide any savings. Your arguments on solar energy are like two poor people saying they should have kids as those kids will someday grow up and take care of the two poor people. Except that won't happen for 30 years. Solar panels don't save shtttt because to put any amount of significant panels on your home it takes 40k. Oh by the by, it might make you argument a bit more realistic if EVEN ONE company that made solar panels had ONE factory that existed in the world that actually was powered by solar or wind energy. LOL How on earth you or they can argue the benefits of the technology while having to use the current "bad" technology to manufacture their product is so idiotic as to be laughable. Nuclear is misunderstood and is not appreciated. It is no more dangerous than any of he other sources of energy out there. Chicken little the sky is falling types like you won't allow the technology (nuclear) that will hurl us miles ahead of the rest of the world to even get a foothold. If you want your 30 mph hybrid sissy cars and your 52 degree inside temps because you have a solar heated house go ahead. Just don't think the rest of us need or want that. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 8, 2011 12:43 AM:

" You are dead wrong Mr. Tea Party. There are several homes in our area that are largely off grid right now. I am planning a renovation this summer with several passive solar and thermal aspects. Thanks to Turner2 I may make further alterations to our plans. There are dozens of companies in our area that install solar and other alternative systems every day. Just because you have your head lodged in your colon does not mean that the rest of the world is not getting wise to the old energy grid addiction scam and moving towards the alternatives. We want the freedom of not being tied to an unsafe and insecure energy grid.

Now don't sneeze. Your head may pop out and splat on the wall. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 8, 2011 1:56 AM:

" Largely off the grid does not mean OFF THE GRID. Who cares what or how many companies install solar panels? They DON'T provide savings nor as I stated do they REPLACE current energy. How can you say anything when you use phrases like "largely off the grid" or "Several homes in our area" Several means can roughly be counted on one or two hands lol. Your babbling does nothing but reveal your hypocrisy. In this debate you have two choices, either this TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T WORK or WE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH CONQUER the technology. Some how with us making F-22 Raptors, and Satellite missile defense systems and cloning sheep etc... I hardly think we can't figure out how to harness solar energy. Solar energy is a joke !! At best it is like using a fire place, it will provide some ancillary minuscule heat but it will not HEAT the home. Good luck with your project tell me when you cancel national grid service lol "

Kyle Bork wrote on Apr 8, 2011 7:21 AM:

" Liberty, again your commentary is littered with insults, i.e. telling tpgo his head is in his colon. Now I realize your hypocrisy is of mythic proportion with your accusing others of insults and doing nothing but insulting. But if you can refute tpgo's point about the solar panel companies who DO NOT use solar power to make the panels, I would consider your points. But all you do is change the subject, ignore, and then call names. You are a joke. You obviously didn't learn that in the military. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 8, 2011 7:31 AM:

" Industry moving towards Solar and alternative energy. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 8, 2011 7:56 AM:

" Solar energy is a joke !! At best it is like using a fire place, it will provide some ancillary minuscule heat but it will not HEAT the home.
- Quote by Mr Tea Party

The sun is just not powerful enough to heat a home? Wow. Thanks for the quote. It goes right next to the rest of your ignorant whoppers.

Good stuff Turner2. Keep it up, please. "

LiveFreeOrDie wrote on Apr 8, 2011 10:48 AM:

" SyBIL - please stop conversing with clearwater and turner because we know its you.

Sure, anyone can go completely off the grid right now with a mix of solar, wind, and a generator for the majority of the time when the solar and wind are not generating enough electricity to power your home. Of course, the generator would need fossil fuel, but hey, maybe in your case it can run off the methane that you continuously generate whenever you open your mouth.

There are plenty of people right now who live off the grid. You'll find them everywhere in Africa and the jungles of Central and South America. Here at home you'll find them living under bridges or in boxes in Central Park. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 8, 2011 11:28 AM:

" Liberty,

Do you think you are the only one who reads my posts? Why do you insist on re quoting every line when everybody else read the same post? I, an everybody else knows what I wrote. I'm sure the sun is a good enough source of energy in some Jules Verne novel. Unfortunately, in this world you guys haven't shown it. Let me ask you this, forget all of our previous exchanges on all other previous posts. I ask you this out of complete desire to know the answer. How on earth can environmentalist or green energy proponents extol the virtues of solar and wind technology when the very companies who manufacture those technologies DON'T USE SOLAR OR WIND in their manufacturing operations? I can think of no greater negative as to the practicality of the technology than the fact that it can't generate enough energy to facilitate it's own manufacturing. Kind of like a celebrity endorsing a product only to find out they not only don't use it but that they actually use a competitors brand. I mean doesn't look ridiculous that this "wave" of the future energy can't produce enough to generate the construction of its own solar panels or wind mill blades???? Please tell me how I'm wrong? LOL "

LiveFreeOrDie wrote on Apr 8, 2011 12:18 PM:

" tpgo - great question. For that matter, if it is such a great technology every business should be powered by wind or solar considering business will ALWAYS do whats in its best interest AND that they have a fiduciary responsibility to do whats in the best interests of their investors and stockholders. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 8, 2011 3:07 PM:

" If you are currently designing a home you will want to consider the information on green houses on this link. They are certainly not the only company manufacturing this product. Many are in this business because it is booming. However their web page is very informative and they are open for questions should you have them. When incorporated into an over all energy scheme this facet can produce heat year round and add a buffer that cools in the winter further reducing costs while beautifying at the same time. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 8, 2011 9:25 PM:

" Hey Ted Turner,

8 Track and Beta were "Booming" technologies at one time too. "

Turner2 wrote on Apr 8, 2011 11:56 PM:

" The firt zero-energy development in America is in upstate NY.

NY Daily News 4-8-11 "

clearwater wrote on Apr 9, 2011 12:43 AM:

" The guy I met from the Radiant Store told me about this development Turner2. We plant to visit next week. Thanks again. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 9, 2011 7:13 AM:

" Wow Turner2 and in NY too. Outstanding. Proves the point very clearly. Keep it up. Interesting to read the comments from the two groups on this subject. The pro fission people are hostile and fearful of the future. The pro new energy people are upbeat, informative and ready for the future. Happy to be in the latter group. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 9, 2011 7:18 AM:

" Wow. Good stuff Turner2 and in NY State too. Outstanding. Proves the point very nicely. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 9, 2011 7:22 AM:

" Great info Turner2 and in NY State too. Proves the point nicely. Keep it up. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 9, 2011 8:26 AM:

" Every time one of you greenie hippie numbats brings this crap up I go out to my back field and burn a tire. "

onevoice wrote on Apr 9, 2011 10:20 AM:

" I think the Saratogian should do a story on the solar/alternative energy businesses and homes in our area. I was in a home that is like this near Albany and it was fantastic. Roomy, warm and it saved the family a lot of money on energy. The businesses that install this type energy technolgy are doing very well and I believe that a story like this would be very interesting to the readers of this paper. I hope they do it. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 10, 2011 12:12 PM:

" onevoice I'm sure that house is now a commune, growing their own vegetables and hold hands while singing kum by yah.

Because Lib refuses to say what someone NOT building a home should do, someone who owns a home and doesn't have $20,000 for a new system, or $6500 for a 'green system' I decided to find out the best use of a homeowners money. You see Lib doesn't really care about someone's wallet; he only knows what he hates.

According to Cap Region Builders three things that will save you a LOT more than a wind, solar, or one described by Turner above is...
-Air Sealing and correct insulation. Most homes operate incorrectly because of improper installations by do-it-yourselfers or contractors. $500 spent on a professional will most likely save you over $1000 in the first year. ROI 6 months.
-Windows. If your home's windows are 25 years or older, they are not operating as efficiently as they can be. Again, installation is key. Whole home replacement can be costly, but on average ROI is 5 years on a wood single pane window with storm. 12 yrs ROI on windows from '82 or older. Windows installed today have a MUCH longer life than an alternative energy system.
-Heating System. Simple tune up and filter replacement is the least costly and BEST ROI for homeowners. Checking for efficiencies can also yield better results than investing in solar. One contractor explained that if the original installer took shortcuts, and installed ducting poorly, the homeowner is losing hundreds of dollars and perhaps thousands per year. Simple tests can check your system.
-Renters who pay their own utilities should ask for a few inspections prior to signing or resigning a lease. Refusal by the owner should signal a danger ahead. Look at the roof in the winter. Ask to see previous utility bills. Pay an inspector to walk thru a home with you. $100 spent upfront will save you thousands. He will look at things that matter to you. Hot water heater, windows, insulation and AC.

You see Lib, at the end of the day I live in the real world with everyone else, while you live in never never land and invent personae to have a conversation with yourself. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 10, 2011 12:46 PM:

" Your ignorance of the alternatives is stunning adkkman. From you comments it is clear that you do not even know the difference between passive and active solar and you certainly are dead wrong about their effectiveness and use.

You really should get a grip on the topic before you shoot off your mouth because you just look like a fool particularly with all of the wonderful information on this page. Of course you appear uninformed for a reason. That old dividend check from dirty energy is your motivation and why you try to put down the alternatives. As usual you have failed at that. In reading the comments on this page most people long ago left you behind with your vision of GE nuclear fission plants in Saratoga laying in ruins at your feet.

The link below is another example of passive and active solar usage that will be a symbol of new energy that will serve as a positive step forward for us all..... well except for adkkman who will be sulking and thinking of more blatantly false data to post that supposedly proves that Americans are just not smart or innovative enough to take advantage of going off the grid. What nonsense. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 10, 2011 1:03 PM:

" "

adkkman wrote on Apr 10, 2011 1:41 PM:

" ROI. Give us an ROI Lib.

Didn't think so. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 10, 2011 2:09 PM:

" Some of the information you posted adkkman is considered to be passive solar. That is what I mean when I say you have no idea what you are talking about.

There are numerous links posted on this page alone that prove beyond any doubt this technology has arrived and it becoming more efficient and cost effective.

On the other hand you advocate a grid system that is highly volatile, increasingly expensive and insecure. If the grid goes - we all go.

Switching to the alternatives means we each become far less dependent on this undependable energy system. If the grid goes we would stay in business and we would stay warm in our homes,

It raises the obvious question why is that that tea party in the guise of Congressman Gibson refute American alternatives and promote an uncertain energy product instead?

It is time to turn away from a system that that has made America an addict to dangerous unstable energy sources and into a future where we will all be independent of the grid and secure in our lives.

If anyone requires technical information about new energy tech I strongly suggest you visit one of the many local businesses that specialize in this sort of technology. There are many. Get your information straight from the source. "

adkkman wrote on Apr 10, 2011 4:32 PM:

" Right. Tell me of the home, business, church or hospital that exists off the grid, and how much it costs, and when they will recognize a return on their investment. It's not about feeling good. It's about the math. Never never land.

Of course I advocate the grid. Only nuts, cuckoos, survivalists and impractical people think of a world without a grid. Which are you? I have talked to homebuilders and economists about the technology. They make sense. They tell me the ROI is 20 years. They DON'T talk about feelings. I have talked to a few salesmen about this product. They DON'T like to talk about ROI just as you don't. OK efficiencies are improving. OK cost effectiveness is improving. To what? 19.5 years? Seriously you are advocating an investment with a Return of 19.5 years ??? I sit on the side of people who lease; on the side of senior citizens being taxed out of their life long homes because a union teacher deserves to make $100k for teaching 2nd graders; on the side of small business people deciding on how to invest $20k.

While you sit on the side of people who advocate spending money on an investment with a 20 year return; of people who think the grid is volatile and insecure; of people who would rather feel good than compare investment curves. You are the very definition of a separatist.

Scary. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 10, 2011 8:09 PM:

" ADK,

Don't you know that what used to be referred to as "good construction" as in proper insulation, modern windows, no leaks in your heating pipes, regular draining of expansion tanks and cleaning heater filters etc... is now called "passive solar" by the greenie crowd lol. Come on man you don't know the difference lol. If you find me one Contractor or HVAC professional. One contractor that is, who is not trying to sell this GREEN nonsense who will go on record and say you will save more money with solar panels than you will with proper insulation, modern 3 pane windows and updated heating systems I will give you my CAR. "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 12, 2011 12:23 AM:

" The nuclear disaster in Japan was just upgraded to a #7 level fission disaster. The only other nuclear disaster to be rated at this level was Chernobyl.

Prior to this incident the pro nuke lobby looked us all collectively in the eye and told us that this kind of accident could not happen again. They said that today's nuclear fission plants are fail safe.

They lied.

They are still lying now. Incredibly they still tell us that fission is safe. That what is happening in Japan could never happen again. That the new systems are fail safe.

Yeah right.

They also tell us that the alternatives are not effective. That Americans are too dumb and lazy to create and utilize the types of technology that would provide our energy needs and take us off addiction to the grid. They happily tell us that we are doomed to failure and that the only answer is dirty dangerous energy from the mega corporations they work for. If you read their perpetually negative comments on these pages their brightly colored ignorance is astonishing. An example; "the sun is not powerful enough to warm a house.' Hard to know if this is pro nuke propaganda or just more empty headed nonsense. Either way it is so wrong it just makes a technically educated person laugh.

If you have any questions about new energy technology go to the source. There are many businesses in the upstate NY area that specialize in this new technology and they are happy to answer your questions. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 12, 2011 12:51 AM:

" Hey liberty,

Exactly how long ago did this level 7 lol disaster start? I could have swam to Japan about 5 times since this event began. It has literally taken, a Tsunami, and about 5 massive earthquakes to put a dent in this facility and it still has not gone full blown meltdown so why do you think there is an issue with nuclear plants here. We are MUCH MORE technically advanced on the nuclear front than any nation on earth including Japan. We would mitigate such an even well in advance. You greenie types have all the answers but never the right answers lol. How is your wind mill coming Don Quixote? LOL "

Liberty101 wrote on Apr 12, 2011 7:04 AM:

" Leave it to Mr. Tea Party to find the duration of the fission disaster in Japan to be positive. 'I could have swam to Japan about 5 times since this event began." he says as if this is a good thing. The fact that the disaster has not been brought under control, that the nuke plant is leaking more radiation now than before and the incident is now rated at the most severe level (#7) totally escapes him. Amazing.

Mr. Tea Party then follows these ridiculous statements with a nuke industry propaganda whopper stating how much more advanced we are than the Japanese and that we could handle the situation - no problem.

Yeah, right. Anything to keep us all hooked on the grid so that his pals in the dirty energy business can be assured that we will keep buying their dirty energy products. It is all about the money not about the needs of the people. Mr. Tea Party thinks Americans are too stupid and lazy to change. I do not.

In the end Mr. Tea Party's own absurd and demonstrably false comments condemns the pro fission idea for our area to the scrap heap. Good riddance to a stupid idea. "

ptgo wrote on Apr 12, 2011 10:01 AM:

" Lieberty how can you lie with a straight face? I never said half of what you state. "

liberty is a tool pt wrote on Apr 12, 2011 8:53 PM:

" Yes my pals. I am currently suing N Grid and have a public service commission case against them for what I feel was fraudulent billing. But the energy business is full of my buddies. You harp on these insipid rationalization. I never said that Americans were too anything to change. The technology who bloviate about is not PROVEN and is still full of holes. Green energy is a Joke with a capital J. Nuclear power seems to be good enough for our military MR. I was a "vet". So why are you not calling for its immediate stoppage on all Navy Subs and AirCraft Carriers? These ships are like floating cities with as many as 5000 sailors aboard them. They essentially sit on top of nuclear reactors all day and night why is that ok? You ranted about what a veteran supporter you were, are Navy lives not as valuable to you as that of some petchouli drenched hippie in Woodstock NY who works for NPR, wears Birkenstocks and who doesn't want "dirty energy"? Just because some poorly trained and poorly experienced Japanese can't handle THEIR REACTOR this country should have to suffer the solar panel nonsense and windmill junk so a bunch of hippie dippy crunchies can get their way on the issue? Your shtick is getting a bit cliche at this point. You alternative energy wack jobs never wanna talk about the "dirty" aspects of your proposals. Like for example where and how are all these 100lb batteries are going to be disposed of that come out of these absurd hybrid cars you all pontificate about or how about all these new "efficient" lol light bulbs that just so happen to be full of MERCURY. Oh forgot to mention that stuff huh? Or how about bees? Which if they getknocked off will dramatically effect the planet. They and a lot of migratory birds and bats are being all messedd up by these massive wind mills yeah lets sweep that under the rug. You clowns are noting but hypocrites. Do as I say not as I do types, typical liberals. "

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